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[quote]All of you are looking at the caste name removal from completely different perspective from dravidian movement.[/quote]
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Yes, because you see Dravidian movement is not universally applicable all over India or the world. .[/quote]
But I see for what is applicable to Tamil Nadu, Ap, Karnataka and kerala... Whatever it may be, I am completely against imposing of caste name removal over peoples who don't wish... But I argue caste names are alien to Tamil or dravidian, so I advocate for removal of caste names, certainly wont impose, if I do so am not humanitarian and rationalist...
[quote]Another important cause, for advocating to remove caste name is because, its Hindu religion introduced culture... whereas tamil community or dravidian community are not casteist in nature, during early sangam period.[/quote]
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That's rich considering the various caste mentions in Sangam literature. Your claim is a complete fabrication similar to Hindutvadi Out of India migration theory..[/quote]
Don't worry what am saying is not like the hinduthvavaadhis...
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Caste in Sangam Literature
Kannagi spares Brahmins
"The God of Fire appeared before her and awaited her instructions. Kannagi told him, 'Spare Brahmins, virtuous men, cows, chaste women, old people and children and consume the rest/ The city was enveloped by flame all round."
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What you quoted above are all saying about late sangam period. The sangam period which is said to caste free was Early sangam and Middle sangam...see this
http://m.thehindu.com/life-and-style/soc...15017.ece/
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http://www.soas.ac.uk/research/publicati...e46109.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJcfM8ahWKI&feature=plcpSudalaimuththu Palaniappan
There are four parts of interview is there in tamil, those who know tamil can watch...
A seminar on ‘Casteless society of Tamils in Sangam Age’
During the Sangam age, Tamil society was casteless and the ancestors of the Dalits were respected warriors, priests and bards and were considered auspicious, said S. Palaniyappan, an engineer turned Tamil scholar, in Madurai recently.
He was addressing historians and archaeologists at a special lecture on ‘Early Social History – A Multi Disciplinary Approach’ at Pandya Nadu Centre for Historical Research .
In his lecture, Palaniappan said the word ‘Pulaiya’ was misinterpreted as untouchables or low-caste people. But it is related to the word ‘Polivu’, meaning flourishing and auspiciousness .
“They were not considered untouchables. In other words, untouchability was not part of the indigenous Tamil tradition,” he said. The caste system in Tamil Nadu was a borrowed factor that established itself after the Sangam period. One particular verse in ‘Puranaanuru’, sung by a Pandya king, Arya Padai Kadantha Nedunchezhiyan (he who conquered the Aryan Northern Army), the use of the phrase ‘vetrumai therintha naarpaal’ (four varnas) indicates that caste system was imported from the northern part of the country.
Arguing from his paper titled ‘On the unintended influence of Jainism on the development of caste in post-classical Tamil society’, he said that people often fail to explain terms like ‘izhipirappinon’ while taking about casteless Tamil society.
“Without explaining the word, we cannot prove that Tamil society is a casteless society,” he said. “My contribution is an explanation for that factor.”
According to the Jain concept, he explained, people who practise violence such as hunting or sacrificing animals are believed to be reborn as beings of a lower world. An alternate word for hell in Tamil is ‘izhikati’. People who will be born in hell are said to be ‘izhikati’ – an alternate word for ‘izhipirappinon’. “This talks not about the present birth but a birth after. Moreover, status of human being is given by the moralistic attitude of the people and not by birth.”
Dr.Palaniappan also explained various ‘misinterpreted’ terms like ‘Pulaiyan’ and ‘ilicinan’ and hoped that his research article published in International Journal of Jaina Studies would help Dalits recover their lost history.
[quote]but what is the problem for Gayathri if people wantedly shed their caste name to retain their dravidian or tamil identity???The next question she asks is why people are not opting for Intercaste, There are people supporting doing that also. What is the dire need for Gayathri to completely hate people who wanted shed their caste name??? Why do she wanna degrade them??? I won't accept the caste name removed person, boasts as if he achieved a great thing by doing this, but certainly a first step. I see ray hope in communities, when they loose caste names too. Which makes us to feel being out of Hindu religion clutches.
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What? o_O
FYI inforamtion see below I joined the group very recently, after joining I hardly came into the group...
During my first visit, couple of days back I saw your thread about caste names, which sounded funny and misleading, so I left, since I was busy with some other work.
But just day before yesterday, when i rememebred about your thread and came back and had look into it. Which was very annoying for me. The kind of comparisons you placed were very disturbing for me. So I posted the comment immediately, because, I was annoyed too much to see a admin, that too a person with caste name behind arguing like this, thats why my comment would have been a bit more over board, but hard hitting I guess... I didnt had copy with me also to recheck. You people could have messaged me instead of blocking...
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How many times have I said this on CFT, I don't care if someone decides to ditch their name--they can name themselves Appendix Twocup for all I care. What I do not appreciate is how often people bring up other people's last name to attack them and how some people completely deny religious and gender privilege in their names.
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I didnt see such disclaimers you had put up, since am pretty new entrant, so far only twice i have visited the forum... On my second visit that too after my first comment, within an hour I was blocked...
A small message for blocking is what I was requesting...
Social network forums need not be such dictatorial... That too I took so much initiative and message to everyone none responded... sad...
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