Francois Gautier
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I received this by email. This man is a dangerous right wing hindu apologist in disguise....


AWAKE, HINDUS!
BY FRANCOIS GAUTIER
Awake and arise!!.You sleeping Hindus
I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic
schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head
of the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father,
Jacques Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there
ever was one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly
every day and lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in
Christianity I am proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in
many western countries, Christ’s message of love and compassion….
Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over
India under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there
are about 2.34 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a
negligible amount*. **Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in
Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.**
One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi’s closed
circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in
Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a
very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is
Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise
of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose
secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu,
a Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal,
another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National
Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed
by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste
discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies. **( One can also add to
list Ajit jogi, and Digvijay Singh both christian converts & also Pranoy
Roy, his niece Arundhati 'suzanna' roy )*
I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a
good person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother .
I share with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for
over 30 years and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since
she is at the top, Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in
overdrive. More than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries are involved in
conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no
Christians at independence, there are 120.000 today, a 90% increase since
1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there
were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2 million today, as well as 780
churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung
villages and there was even an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati. Many of
the North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not
only Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert
backing of the missionaries. In Kerala, particularly in the poor coastal
districts, you find “miracle boxes” put in local churches: the gullible
villager writes out a paper mentionning his wish: a fising boat, a loan for
a pukka house, fees for the son’s schooling… And lo, a few weeks later, the
miracle happens ! And of course the whole family converts, making others in
the village follow suit. During the Tsunami, entire dalit villages in Tamil
Nadu were converted to Christianity with the lure of money.
It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionnaries and
nuns, particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But
Belgium historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus
are killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the
world media doesn't even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a
few local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified
tribal miscreants. Christian Naga terrorists have been killing
non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the
world media, except to bewail the "oppression" of the Nagas by "Hindu India"
». More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and
Manipur in the past two decades. As recently as last week, four paramilitary
Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an ambush yesterday by the outlawed
United National Liberation Front (UNLF).
The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart
hospital in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel,
inviting everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ
everywhere and a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at
all. Educational institutes and orphanages run by Christian organisations
have become big business in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states. In
Pondichery, where I am often, schools run by Adventists force their pupils,
mostly Hindus, to say Christian prayers every day and attend mass. They are
constantly fed anti Hindu slogans and biases under different forms, whether
it is in history books, or discourses by priests during religious classes.
Even in the elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint
Xavier in Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct
proletization is attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards
skepticism of their own religion, and admiration of whatever is Western. One
should also say that it’s a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM
Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers’ meet on
education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the
Bhagavad Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginning of
the day in public schools ?
Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : «
We are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to
destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation
and confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote
communalism ». But is not actually the Congress under Mrs Gandhi, which is
promoting communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and
Marxists) everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand too
missionnaries and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and
Muslims, as recently done in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?
In my country, France, a Christian majority nation , it would be unthinkable
to have Hindus – or even Indian born French for that matter – in so many
positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French,
non-Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the
scene as Sonia Gandhi is in India. Indians like to say that the greatness of
India is that it accepts a foreigner and a Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But
is’nt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ? Can’t we find a worthy
leader amongst one billion Indians ? This is an India where you see today
Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth, made to disembark from
an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy dand, a thin bamboo stick
which is a symbol of their spiritual designation, inside the aircraft cabin.
Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhi’s helm? It
would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world. For in
India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.

François Gautier
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
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I though there was enough bullshit. This guy spews venom in every line; he has not mentioned anything about the Hindu brigade who led the communal riots all over India during various time periods. Where they the awake hindus ?

His articles are frequently posted in http://www.hindujagruti.com

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This is retarded to say the least.

PS. While I would personally like to see religion be replaced with humanism/naturalism, it would be interesting to see if such seemingly bogus claims are true with the upcoming Census 2011 results.
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(18-Apr-2011, 05:22 PM)siddharth Wrote: This is retarded to say the least.

PS. While I would personally like to see religion be replaced with humanism/naturalism, it would be interesting to see if such seemingly bogus claims are true with the upcoming Census 2011 results.

Sid we know that. But if we can write a strong rebuttal at Nirmukta.com to his nonsense it might be useful. A lot people get taken in by this guys ideas. Take a look at his website!

http://www.francoisgautier.com/en-art/
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I can't find a direct source to confirm that this was indeed written by Francois Gautier. Of course, I don't mean that he isn't capable of writing such a thing, he is very much. I'm just being skeptical smile.

The article's main complaint seems to be that all Indians haven't completely given up themselves to Sanatana Dogma. How dare some chose to follow another dogma.

EDIT: Removed a portion that is irrelevant.
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Quote:Awake and arise!!.You sleeping Hindus

This guy is promoting superstition in India by drumming up the in-group sentiments of one large religious identity.

Quote:I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head of the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father,
Jacques Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there
ever was one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly
every day and lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in
Christianity I am proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in
many western countries, Christ’s message of love and compassion….

What about the other Christian values: The centuries of bloodshed and destruction. It was his Christian values that led his ancestors to brutally colonize parts of India and much of Africa. Fuck his Christian values.

Quote:Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over
India under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there
are about 2.34 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a
negligible amount*. **Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in
Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.**

He is uneasy about how much Christianity is taking over India, yet in the very next statement he says they are at about 2.34 million, which is "not even 2,5% of the nation, a negligible amount".

If you twist statistics you can make anything seem plausible. In this case, the North East states have relatively tiny populations and large Christian majorities. Kerala also has a large number of Christians. In any case, the most offensive thing about this line of reasoning is that in a democracy the majority religious group should not be electing someone from a minority group. Essentially he is spreading the religious value of hating the other religious groups.

Quote:One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi’s closed
circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in
Hindus.

To support this assertion this hate monger points to a handful of people who are associated with the current administration, while slyly including a couple who have no known relationship with the administration, Christianity or Islam. Basically, his statement is a blatant lie. The vast majority of congress politicians, and those "in Sonia Gandhi’s closed circle" are Hindus. I'm not a big fan of the Nehru dynasty either, but this guy is just spewing pure hate and bigotry by cherry picking. This is exactly what all bigots do. In America, this is the kind of cherry-picking that many bigoted rednecks use to claim that Obama hates Christianity and is secretly a Muslim.

Quote:I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a
good person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother .
I share with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for
over 30 years and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since
she is at the top, Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in
overdrive.

Christian conversions, a continuing legacy of Francois Gautier's ancestral past, are indeed a problem. But correlation does not imply causation. Indeed, a correlation can be drawn up between increase in conversions and Francois Gautier's 30 years in India. Perhaps it is Francois Gautier who has been mysteriously causing this increase in conversions!

Sure Christian beliefs are invading India. They have been doing so for hundreds of years, increasing since Francois Gautier's people began sending missionaries here. But the answer to that is not different superstition. It is reason and rational thinking.

Quote:It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionnaries and
nuns, particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But
Belgium historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus
are killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the
world media doesn't even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a
few local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified
tribal miscreants.

That is a failure of the media, then. The humane reaction to the brutal killing of someone is not to point out that other killings do not get the same coverage.

Quote:Christian Naga terrorists have been killing
non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the
world media, except to bewail the "oppression" of the Nagas by "Hindu India"
». More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and
Manipur in the past two decades. As recently as last week, four paramilitary
Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an ambush yesterday by the outlawed
United National Liberation Front (UNLF).

More nonsense. One one hand the Hindu right complains that these terrorists are Maoists and communists, and on the other hand they are Christians. Whatever is convenient. In any case, it is 100% true that many of these communities feel sidelined by the Indian government. There are major ethnic and cultural differences that also contribute to feelings of alienation. Such marginalized groups all around the world are involved in separatist movements.
The problem is that although Francois Gautier quotes facts he does so in a way that is misleading and leads to his preconceived conclusions that Christians are taking over India.

Quote:The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart
hospital in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel,
inviting everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ
everywhere and a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at
all. Educational institutes and orphanages run by Christian organisations
have become big business in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states.

This is what happens when you subscribe to one religious identity and dedicate your life to defending it (of course this guy has no identification with any other group other than Hindus). You only see what you want to see. A vast many more hospitals and educational institutions are run by Hindu trusts and institutions. The government is actively involved in propagating many of these, and in pushing Hindu beliefs and practices in the curriculum. All you need to do is read Meera Nanda's The God Market to see how much Hinduism is being pushed on the people of India.

Quote:"Even in the elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint
Xavier in Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct
proletization is attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards
skepticism of their own religion, and admiration of whatever is Western."

Such bullshit is not even verifiable. There are so many more tangible cases that can be used to make a counter point about Hindu proselytism.

Quote:One should also say that it’s a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM
Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers’ meet on
education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the
Bhagavad Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginnin g of
the day in public schools ?

Why the hell should a Hindu superstition be perpetuated by an elected official at a state sponsored education meet? How is this not obvious?

And the Bhagavad Gita is the "Bible for all humanity"? ROTFL

Quote:Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : «
We are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to
destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation
and confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote
communalism ».


Nooooo, she didn't!

Quote:But is not actually the Congress under Mrs Gandhi, which is
promoting communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and
Marxists) everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand too
missionnaries and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and
Muslims, as recently done in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?
Ok, let's see.

"insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and
Marxists) everywhere"


Evidence please. Without evidence this is dangerous propaganda.

"propping up Christian states"

Again, evidence please. And no, the democratic process is not the same thing as "propping up Christian states"

"allowing a free hand too
missionnaries"

What does that mean? Allowing them their constitutional rights? How oppressive of the government!

"pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and
Muslims, as recently done in AP"

This is a blatant misrepresentation. No one has been unfairly asking for Christian Dalits and Muslims to get reservation when others do not. Rather, right now these Dalit Christians and Muslims are not considered as SC-ST by the government, and they do not get any reservations. Only Hindu Dalits are given reservations. The Constitution (Scheduled Tribes) Order 1950 removed social, economic and educational benefits of any Dalits who converted to Islam or Christianity. This is been a strategy of the center to actually encourage Dalits to label themselves as Hindus. Only a religious apologist can twist facts in such a way as to completely reverse them!

Quote:In my country, France, a Christian majority nation , it would be unthinkable
to have Hindus – or even Indian born French for that matter – in so many
positions of power.

This can also be put down to cherry-picking. The history, demographics and politics of the two nations is very different, and certainly in some areas the French are less egalitarian. But there are many areas where the French would grant religious and cultural freedom where India wouldn't. For example, France would certainly not disallow burning any holy book. In India you'd be thrown in jail for "offending religious sentiments" faster than you can say "pass me the matches".

In any case, those things that the French are bigoted about are the worst things about France. This asshole is showing us the worst parts of his culture and asking us to adopt them.

Quote:Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French,
non-Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the
scene as Sonia Gandhi is in India.

Gandhi is non-elected and and absolute ruler? This arrogant Frenchman has absolutely no respect for Indian democracy or truth. Is this the guy Hindus are looking to? Not very patriotic of them.

Quote:Indians like to say that the greatness of
India is that it accepts a foreigner and a Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But
is’nt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ?

Yeah, looking past our differences to embrace our common goals is a weakness. Typical religious communalism.

Quote:Can’t we find a worthy
leader amongst one billion Indians ?

Yes, we have had many worthy Indian leaders. But the political process seldom brings forth the right person for the job. Our parliamentary democracy is far from perfect. But let's look at the French president. Here are some points from wikipedia about Sarkozy.

"In 2004 Sarkozy co-authored a book, La République, les religions, l'espérance (The Republic, Religions, and Hope),[96] in which he argued that the young should not be brought up solely on secular or republican values."

"He advocated reducing the separation of church and state, arguing for the government subsidy of mosques in order to encourage Islamic integration into French society."

A president who attacks secular values and encourages spending government money on mosques. Anyway, who the fuck is a Frenchman to tell us who our leader should be in India? Who is he to tell us what our values should be?

Quote:This is an India where you see today
Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth, made to disembark from
an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy dand, a thin bamboo stick
which is a symbol of their spiritual designation, inside the aircraft cabin.

Who cares who this Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati guy is. Now we should be changing airline policy to accommodate religious superstitions? This guy really wants India to remain culturally stagnant.

Quote:Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhi’s helm?

No, you asshole.

Quote:It
would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world.

It would if it were remotely true.

Quote:For in
India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.

What a stupid stupid statement, intended only to assuage the nationalistic lunacy of the Hindu right. Indeed, that is exactly what this entire article, lacking in both facts as well as human decency, is attempting to do.

"Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian"
~ J.B.S.Haldane, on being asked to falsify evolution.
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Francois Gautier is a pastmaster at reporting the unearthing of documents of dubious origins, which are readily exposed as forgeries and which are so suspiciously cut-and-dried in their support of saffronite history and eschatology.

An egregious example is a supposed Nostradamus prediction, which Gautier himself admits is a spoof but keeps reposting devoid of that clarification. Here's the same post, published once before 2009 and the next one claiming to predict 2014 election results, which is furiously reshared and forwarded in la-la land.

More sinister are Gautier's uncorroborated allegations attempting a posthumous character assassination of Tipu Sultan, based on some attic discovery in the 1980s he claims to be privy to. This is not the first time Tipu Sultan's legacy has become a victim of hostile revisionism. Gautier's claims raise chronological contradictions as reported by commenters (1,2) in the article. It is particularly disturbing that a mainstream publication like Outlook carried a piece of such transparent deception and misinformation. Incidentally, Outlook itself had carried this article by Prof. C M Naim earlier calling for greater vigilance against fraudulent reports misrepresenting contemporary or historical events with the intent of promoting ill-will if not unrest.
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