Hindu Persecution Complex

[Lije]

HPC - abbreviation for Hindu Persecution Complex.

It is a disease which describes the false sense of persecution that some Hindus suffer from. This describes the tendency to pretend as if Hindus are facing extinction despite evidence to the contrary[1].

Symptoms of this complex include - considering anyone who points reality as "commie pigs", "Christian missionaries in disguise", "kangress shills", and "pseudo-secularists/sickularists". In extreme cases, this disease leads to mass violence [2].

As of now no treatment has been found for this virus. As such, we can expect it to become an epidemic unless preventative measures are taken - which involves suggesting that HPC sufferers wear glasses that enable them to see the world in the full gamut of colors instead of black and white, and inject a dose of reality to dispel delusions of grandeur[3].

A thing to note about this infection is that it is endemic only amongst people of privileged classes. One rarely finds it amongst the "non-merit" peoples. So a promising source of treatment is to familiarize the carries of HPC with "non-merit" people. There is evidence to suggest that it can reduce biogtry[4]. High concentrations of bigotry have been observed in carriers of HPC. So reducing bigotry is believed to alleviate the symptoms caused by HPC.

Anymore information on this new disease is appreciated.

1. http://nirmukta.com/2010/01/21/review-th...era-nanda/
   
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CrW4OxBGnU (Warning: graphic violence, NSFL).
   
3. http://nirmukta.com/2012/02/16/deconstru...worldview/
   
4. http://nirmukta.com/2011/11/23/social-co...reasoning/
   

[KalBhairav]

It is indeed true that at least in India, we bend over backwards to appease non-Hindus - hajj subsidy, tax exemption for minority institutions, proposal to subsidize travel of Xians to Bethlehem, banning Satanic Verses even before Saudi Arabia banned the book, Rajiv Gandhi overturning the Shah Bano verdict, preventing Hindus from settling down in J&K, having a special visa status for missionaries are some of the evidences I would like the "freethinkers" on this website to consider. You did mention the communists in India. I think it was one of the communist spokesperson who suggested that in Ayodhya, a public urinal should be built on the site of the destroyed temple. But nowhere do I hear from the communists that Adam/Eve never existed and it is a figment of the Abrahamic imagination. The communists in Kerala could not even bring themselves to condemn the Islamic terrorism in their state when a bunch of Mohammedans chopped of the hands of a Xian teacher for allegedly making fun of Mohammed. That is the intellectual bankruptcy of the communists. All of these factors are legitimate reasons why Hindus should look after their back on their own. Neither the so-called "secular" brigade, nor the non-Hindus, can be relied upon to pass an equitable judgement on Hindus' plight. They all have their axes to grind.

The % of Hindus in Pakistan/Bangladesh in 1947 and the % of Hindus in Pak/BD now may also help in putting things in perspective.

[arvindiyer]

Freethinkers have been doing their fair share in speaking out against intrusion into civil liberties by theological jurisprudence, such as weak-kneed book-banning and genuflection of constitutional authorities towards religious demagogues. Contrary to the popular lament of 'pseudosecularism' and accusation of selective outrage often chanted by overt or covert votaries of Hindutva 'cultural nationalism', no single faith has been singled out for or exempted from criticism, and if criticism seems less than uniform it is because the threats and numbers are less than uniform as well. The persecution complex among these votaries is nowhere more evident than when a sizeable portion, unfortunately the most voluble portion of them, think that a painting is a greater affront to national security than a credible death threat to the citizen who painted it.

[KalBhairav]

Feel free to attack Hinduism as much as you like. But, imo, Hinduism does not pose anywhere near a threat to "freethinkers" as the Abrahamics do.

[karatalaamalaka]

(26-Jun-2012, 06:35 PM)KalBhairav Wrote: It is indeed true that at least in India, we bend over backwards to appease non-Hindus...

KalBhairav, what you are saying is pretty much the exact same arguments that you will find being made by every Hindu-apologist ever. Please acquaint yourself with the extensive material on nirmukta.com and these forums. I request you to set aside your dogmatic beliefs about the supremacy of any religion and think rationally. Read the other posts on nirmukta.net to get a fair idea of what is acceptable on this forum. Quit being a troll. You have been warned already.

These are the forum rules: http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Forum-Rules and you are violating rules #1, #6, and #7.

[the_analyzer]

(27-Jun-2012, 05:58 AM)karatalaamalaka Wrote:

(26-Jun-2012, 06:35 PM)KalBhairav Wrote: It is indeed true that at least in India, we bend over backwards to appease non-Hindus...

KalBhairav, what you are saying is pretty much the exact same arguments that you will find being made by every Hindu-apologist ever. Please acquaint yourself with the extensive material on nirmukta.com and these forums. I request you to set aside your dogmatic beliefs about the supremacy of any religion and think rationally. Read the other posts on nirmukta.net to get a fair idea of what is acceptable on this forum. Quit being a troll. You have been warned already.

These are the forum rules: http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Forum-Rules and you are violating rules #1, #6, and #7.

Hindu nationalism is influenced heavily by the politics in the country. In fact, the conflict in Palestine is also influenced heavily by politics. This brings out the worst in all of us and stunts rational thinking. It's just that some bad elements hide behind religion to go too far. It is great to come onto internet forums and moderate discussions and cater to free-thinking, but when you belong to a community whose places of worship are under government regulation, but not other religions, when people of other religions get subsidies for pilgrimages, don't have blasphemy laws applied against them and so on, this is blatantly a failure of our democracy. No matter how much you lecture someone on thinking rationally, this will not happen until their is true secularism in the country. The issue is not about a persecution complex, it is about fairness and equality. You will never see rationalism come out until there is democracy and equal treatment. Sanal Edamaruku gets blasphemy laws slapped against him by a church for their jesus fiasco, just consider how many scientists were booked under this blasphemy law when the ganesh idol incident in the mid 90s happened. Therein lies the discrimination. In a true secular country, there would be no such thing as a blasphemy law. Science education does make one more secular, but also keep in mind that Jewish atheists take one side on the Palestine issue. When a common history and culture is shared, it is hard to let go of one's roots and not speak out, no matter how rational one is. Consider the anger of Chinese people over the discrimination of their athlete at the olympics. Community binds people. That is why you have this forum.

And I don't see how the commenter above has violated any Forum rules. Perhaps you think I have also. But voicing ideas that are different from yours should not be considered 'trolling'.

[arvindiyer]

(31-Dec-2012, 10:33 AM)the_analyzer Wrote: Community binds people. That is why you have this forum.

There is a surfeit of traditional institutions upholding religion and nationalism which perpetuate their dominance, enjoy undue privileges from the state and exert a disproportionate influence on the agenda and mores of society. Consider, for instance the state largesse to Mathas in Karnataka. To casually club this forum, that is entirely volunteer-run and without remuneration, with religious or territorial communities that perpetuate inherited dominance and wield political muscle, is a false equivalence. Unlike the caricature of a politburo-led monolith with an imported agenda bound by a party whip, this initiative is constituted by a rainbow of people furthering an empathic agenda.

(31-Dec-2012, 10:33 AM)the_analyzer Wrote: And I don't see how the commenter above has violated any Forum rules. Perhaps you think I have also. But voicing ideas that are different from yours should not be considered 'trolling'.

One rule which is followed in this community, is to refrain from comments on moderation everywhere except this designated thread, as notified here.

[the_analyzer]

Quote:To casually club this forum, that is entirely volunteer-run and without remuneration, with religious or territorial communities that perpetuate inherited dominance and wield political muscle, is a false equivalence.

That was not my intention, which was to show that common history, culture and/or beliefs generate a sense of community.

Quote:One rule which is followed in this community, is to refrain from comments on moderation everywhere except this designated thread, as notified here.

OK.

[Lije]

The comment trail in this article is quite instructive of the HPC. Various Hindu apologists there have tried their best to deny reality - that Hinduism is getting stronger by the day. It also makes for a good study of the usual tricks employed in the reality denial.

[the_analyzer]

(01-Jan-2013, 12:57 AM)Lije Wrote: The comment trail in this article is quite instructive of the HPC. Various Hindu apologists there have tried their best to deny reality - that Hinduism is getting stronger by the day. It also makes for a good study of the usual tricks employed in the reality denial.

Hindutva is getting stronger. That is what both Meera Nanda and Richard Carrier are saying. Quote Carrier "I don’t think Nanda is talking about increasing Hinduization of the populace, but of the rising size and power of the Hindu nationalism movement and its growing occupation of the halls of power "

[Lije]

(01-Jan-2013, 04:03 AM)the_analyzer Wrote: Hindutva is getting stronger. That is what both Meera Nanda and Richard Carrier are saying. Quote Carrier "I don’t think Nanda is talking about increasing Hinduization of the populace, but of the rising size and power of the Hindu nationalism movement and its growing occupation of the halls of power "

When I said Hinduism is growing stronger, I'm echoing both Nanda and Carrier. From the article (emphasis mine):

Quote:Another curious parallel is how privileged and widespread Hinduism happens to be in India, receiving almost exclusive public and government support, and yet Hindus are presently enthralled by a “war on Hinduism” narrative, a widespread belief in “reverse discrimination” against Hindus and of Hinduism being “in danger” and in need of urgent action to rescue it, even a perception that Hindus are an oppressed minority–all while state financing and privileging and facilitating of Hinduism is on a stark rise, and the vast majority of the population is staunchly Hindu.

That one quote you pulled from the comments was in response to a commenter who chose to judge Hinduism by its percentage share in Indian population. Nowhere does Carrier say anything to contradict the quoted text above.

[the_analyzer]

Quote:all while state financing and privileging and facilitating of Hinduism is on a stark rise

which by definition is hindu nationalism - the state should not be promoting hinduism. You just said what i said differently.