(04-03-2013 11:45 PM)MeltedFlame Wrote: I'm not debating the logicality or semantics of it any more - believe whatever you want, I was only trying to help you experience what I did.
(04-03-2013 11:45 PM)MeltedFlame Wrote: I would suggest to them: meditate in the sun untill they see something they can relate with. wait days, while reminding yourself of what you saw untill you to know what you saw, why you saw it and what you have to do next. Then meditate in a dark room and it will come into question or experience and be repaired/cleansed/forgiven/reassured.
That gratuitous offer for help, however seems not what members here intent upon promoting science, freethought and secular humanism are obliged to respond to with any kind of enthusiasm. To return the favor, here's a suggestion, caveated by the fact that next to nothing is known about most posters here, not even ASL. Some broad categories of persons who engage in mystical practices are (i) picnickers
(people driven by sheer curiosity who undertake these practices preserving 'outsider' or 'visitor' status, for whom such interest will mostly be a passing fad) (ii) pilgrims
(people, typically led to a practice by upbringing, tradition or conversion, who see a given practice as their calling which they will fulfil at the expense of other priorities) (iii) patients
(people seeking dubious remedies for undiagnosed and unacknowledged mental conditions, or any assistance they can find to cope with life-situations either out of desperation or ignorance). Whichever category one is in, some caution is advised, and lots of background checks and homework. Picnickers must be made aware of risks (like the US government travel advisory
about the late Satya Sai Baba) and of how seemingly short trips can leave lingering behavioral residues. Pilgrims need exposure to cultural and religious diversity lest their literalist interpretation of 'chosen-ness' results in insularity
and supremacism. Patients and in general, persons in 'at-risk' populations need first to exhaust EBSM
options and other mainstream options such as those listed in Active Minds
before resorting to mysticism. We don't know which one is your story, MeltedFlame, but in response to your offer for help, here is an earnest exhortation to step back and ask yourself what is the problem or question which 'meditation' apparently solves for you and what are some mainstream recommendations for addressing that problem, and then exhaust the simplest options before buying in to magic and attempting to sell it to freethinkers here.
(04-03-2013 11:45 PM)MeltedFlame Wrote: although some detail from this can be taken accurate to the detail in that article of sensory deprivation, it is not including specifics, giving the whole discussion a greater volume to be labelled as such.
....Yes, because it's clear hallucinations are happening during sensory deprivation.
I guess the answer depends on how you want to look at the information you are being given.
The claim of chosen-ness and exceptionalism, made by special pleading
is a common trait for all mysticism enthusiasts. Some examples are claims like: "Our spiritual Master is incorruptible, though it's clear others have strayed
" and "My experience was real, though reports by many others are fake or honestly mistaken.
" which are made without specifying what safeguards were put in place to ensure that the said master or experience is immune to all-too-common human follies. If the response is a radically solipsist
line that 'Each experience is real to its experiencer
', then such a stance which escapes reductionism and repeatability, thus not satisfying parsimony
, does not belong in a forum emphasizing Science.