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Hi all, what is your opinion about capital punishment? Should there be retributive justice or restoration Justice? In the same light will killing of Kasab result in Justice being handed to the 165+ victims of 26/11? What should be a rational response?
Firstly, I don't believe that harsh punishments are in anyway a deterrent for crimes in future.
Secondly, revenge is not something we should be promoting. You kill someone, you will also be killed is a view that is not compatible in modern societies, especially when the criminals are confined to a prison. This may not applicable to Osama Bin Laden who was pretty much out there directing operations.
My idea of justice for the victims is to jail the culprits and make people who did that act accountable. And improve security and well-being in future. Organically work towards a better society. The state cannot kill to make the point that killing is bad.
I think the philosophy of putting a person in jail is to kepp him/her away from society until he is "corrected". A death penalty does not offer this chance.
I won't mind keeping beasts in the jail if they are willing to pay the expenses. Otherwise, we have better ways to spend tons of money being spent for their security (refer tens of crores being spent on kasab's security). I will rather spend that money on promoting contraceptives and family planning
I think the problem is that we are always putting money VS human life argument. This seeps into every argument that we are having today. Why do we need a school for 30 children? Why can't the 30 children be given free bus passes to go to a school that is some 10 KMs away not taking into account the ramifications.
It's something we must not do. Put human life first, even if it means spending thousands of crores. Make use of money in hand properly that can change so many things, instead of saying that if we had more money it will benefit.
I feel quite uneasy at such argument. Kasab's life is a waste, he is a scum worses than a 10 rupee note. I mean, where are we heading?
I think this is a very important topic and it would be good to have your views archived on the forums.
but if you ask me, even Kasab was a tool used and manipulated like some robots at the hands of his religious findamentalists' masters. anyways he came here to die for mere Rs 1.5 lakhs...poverty is a breeding ground for all religious guided violence
Ajita, I'm interested to know your views. Let me know if and when you post about this...
In my opinion, we either free the Kasab or hang him. Keeping him in jail is very expensive and may cost more lives. Some terrorist may plant a bomb, kidnap someone, or hijack plane/bus as an excuse to free Kasab. I do not see any value in keeping him in jail and letting him go may set wrong precedence.
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I think there should be no human rights for inhumans. That is not to say that due process of law must not be followed. But rather that law must be capable enough to distinguish between them. The basis could be , if the criminal worth rehabilitation or not. If he is not, then he is inhuman and none human rights should be applicable to him for the threat he poses to the humanity in general even by living in isolation.
I second Rajesh. No human rights for inhumans. People like Kassab who commit cold blooded murders, rapists, hardened criminals deserve to be wiped out from the face of this earth.
I definitely would not want such inhumans alive and feeding on my tax money in a jail! They are better dead!
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Ajita, Can we have the link to the archive on forum?
Personally I believe it is necessary to have capitol punishment as a procedure in the current scenario. Believe it or not but there are people who will go wild and do severe crimes without giving a single thought about people being affected by their deeds. And they will do the same over and over. If you do not have a threat of capitol punishment, I do not know how many Kesabs and Dara Singh will be born.
As a principle capital punishment needs to be abolished. the society should not stoop to the level of criminals. we have to give chance even to those heinous people to reform - kasab included. it is really barbaric to to take away once life in the name of law and justice. by doing this we will be aping those criminals only. but it should be abolished for all- not because he is a tamilian, punjabi or muslim.
Many points in favour of abolishing capital punishments. Studies have shown that there is no difference in the crimes of particular type in places with or without capital punishments. Therefore it may not act as a deterrent. State cannot kill in response to killing. Social hysteria can result in interpreting the case as rarest of the rare like it happened in the case of chaterjee, the last man hanged. Holding the man alive may result in some new facts coming to light which could be used. In case of Kasab holding him alive can result in some kind of revelation on the true chain of events and point to people actually responsible. Hanging him may waste that opportunity.
All the arguments given against capital punishment seem very very idealistic and complete void of practical aspects. For e.g. comparing man's life with money ofcourse sounds devilish. But money does save a lot of life. Now the question would be, should the money be spent on saving lives of those who have commited heinous crimes or that of the other who are not that evil. Ideally we should have a united world, and no wars. But till that ideology is globally accepted it would be foolish for our government to stop spending on military weapons which are intended to kill.
I amagainst capital punishment for all crimes. But if you find an evidence where a plan ks plotted with fair amount of thought and full knowledge of its consequence as in case of 26/11 and Rajiv Gandhi, if proven there should be cital punishment with minimum delay. While in other cases where the crime done as a result of reaction to some event or action there should be only life or whatever imprisionment.
Capital punishment any day for orchestrated murder as in Rajiv Gandhi and 26/11.. Castration for rape,.. Confiscation of money multiple times the value of bribe taken.... This is not about revenge but fairness and impartiality. Why should Rajiv Gandhi's family and families who have suffered similarly not be able to have a closure? By forgiving the state sends a message - Go ahead, kill anybody you want killed. Spend a decade in jail but then you get to enjoy the rest of your life. And btw the you can keep the money you got paid to carry out the murder. Pretty lucrative. Not a bad deal at all. But is this the message we want to send to India and the rest of the world?
The irony is that the people who scream "forgiveness" haven't suffered first hand in the hands of the convicted.. and the ones who have suffered they dare not ask for capital punishment because then they will be torn apart for not having empathy...
Anindita Dutt how do you see "fairness and impartiality" in retribution killing? And exactly what kind of closure is achieved by the bereaved family? By the way make a note there is a serious doubt that retribution killing has a check effect on potential murderers
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came across http://an-appeal.blogspot.com/ didn't know about it,got any links about it?
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